Monday, July 13, 2015

Summer Theology Night

Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm

at Pastor Bill's home - call for directions 763-862-5860

We will talk about the article that is pasted below, written by a reporter for the Guardian newspaper of London.  It offers a Christian reflection on forgiveness and contrasts forgiving with forgetting.  If you would prefer to see the original version, you can follow this link:  
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/24/charleston-shooting-church-faith-forgiveness-racism

The decision to forgive is rooted in faith. The desire to forget is rooted in racism


The religion of the Charleston shooting victims’ families called for them to offer forgiveness. But that isn’t absolution for America’s racist past or present


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Two children pray near thousands of flowers and cards left in condolence outside Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina. Photograph: Jim Watson/AFP/Getty Images

For many people, the forgiveness offered to Dylann Roof, the man charged with killing of nine black members of Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, at his arraignment by the families of his victims is impossible to understand – and worthy of veneration. “I forgive you” said Nadine Gardner, daughter of slain church member Ethel Lance. “I will never ever hold her again. But I forgive you, and may God have mercy on your soul”.
But how could someone forgive such a heinous crime so quickly, so easily? The answer lies in part with Christian interpretation of the New Testament, a history of racialized violence and the civil rights movement.


Forgiveness is a spiritual practice and biblical mandate from the New Testament that many American Christians engage in as a part of their faith. Familiar scriptures (such as Jesus forgiving the Romans while hanging on a cross, or saying that forgiveness should be given 70 times seven) are staples of Christian teaching and theology. Forgiveness is enshrined in the Lord’s prayer – forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. These scriptures point to the power of forgiveness not only as a way to absolve transgressions, but to ensure that the person extending forgiveness will be forgiven of theirs. For many Christians, these teachings form the foundation of their Christian faith, even when that forgiveness can be difficult to give.
Historically, narratives of forgiveness were part of both the anti-slavery movement and the civil rights movement in America. Uncle Tom’s Cabin, for instance, was based loosely on the life of the Rev Josiah Henson, who forgave his master that wanted to sell him and beat him after Henson begged him not to.
I fell down and clung to his knees in entreaties. Sometimes when too closely pressed, he would curse and strike me. May God forgive him!
These slave narratives in the 19th century were designed to put forth messages of Christian love and mercy, even in the face of the masters’ violence and cruelty. For many slaves and subsequent free black people, forgiveness was also a way to protect themselves from continued racial violence. A well placed “I forgive you” served as protection for vulnerable African Americans in a violent racist environment by calling out to oppressor and oppressed’s shared religious faith.
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In the 20th Century, the non-violent “soul force” that Martin Luther King Jr taught was a combination of Hinduism and Christianity. Forgiveness became a big part of the civil rights movement, juxtaposed against the violence of protesters and law enforcement. King described forgiveness in one of his early sermons as a pardon, a process of life and the Christian weapon of social redemption. In MLK’s words, “forgiveness is not an occasional act, it is a constant attitude”
History and scripture are just the foundations for the stunning words of forgiveness from the families of those murdered at Emmanuel AME, expressions apparently driven by sincerity and theChristian witness of the surviving family members. However, forgiveness deployed in the context of American race relations become part of the ritual of what I call racial forgiveness.
Racial forgiveness is different than a theological premise; it is a cultural ritual in America which functions to atone for the past racism (as  with the apologies from various denominations, such as Southern Baptists, in the 1990s) or in an attempt to provide African Americans a way to move forward and acknowledge historic  and recent racial pain. These public acts of racial forgiveness are important, but they can also bring about ritual forgetting when co-opted by individuals or groups with little interest in atonement.
This ritual forgiveness and forgetting is one of the reasons America’s conversation on race is stilted, disingenuous, and dangerous.  In a culture of ritual forgiveness and forgetfulness, no one is called to account for historic deeds done against others, and history is viewed as a malleable story to support the forgetting. That is why the conversation about the Confederate Flag and its meaning are simply swept away as a “cultural matter” or history, when the reality is that the flag was a symbol of resistance to the Union and, later, used as a way to continue the culture of the Confederacy and terrorize Africans Americans.
Forgiveness unfortunately, can birth forgetting: by the time the arraignment ended, the ritual forgetfulness had already begun. Politicians like Jeb Bush claimed not to understand why the shooter would want to kill black people and conservatives claimed that the shooting “was an attack against Christians”.
How long will forgiveness and the subsequent forgetting be a means to derail sustained efforts to confront racism in America? For black people, there is no forgetting of the history of American racism, or the complicity of Christians in that history.  When a white man walks into a black church, sits for an hour, and then allegedly shoots nine black people dead, no amount of forgiveness given for his murderous act by the families of the dead can absolve America of its violent history of racism, no matter how much those complicit in that racism might hope for it.

Wednesday, February 12, 2014

In the fall of 2013, the United Methodist Church of Anoka, Minnesota, used the book Velvet Elvis: Repainting the Christian Faith, by Rob Bell, in our "One Congregation, One Book" series for the year.  Seven groups were formed for discussion of the book, in a variety of times and venues.  Here are some pictures and highlights.

Some groups were traditional discussion groups, meeting in the church lounge or a coffee shop.
One group offered an opportunity for a creative, hands on approach, creating smash books on the themes of Velvet Elvis.


Children were not left out!  Jan Warren, a member of our Adult Spiritual Growth Team, created a Velvet Elvis curriculum that was enjoyed on Wednesday nights by children and families at our Northern Light site in Ramsey.



 

Monday, February 10, 2014

The videos we viewed last week for Small Group Leaders.

The first one is about the types of small group leader you don't want to be. The second is about confrontation in a small group:


Thursday, January 30, 2014

This is the video that was shown in the first session of our Small Group Leader Training.

Why Small Groups Won't Work
Todd Engstrom


 




Thursday, February 14, 2013



John Wesley's Self-examination Questions.
  Join me in using one or more of them each day in Lent.  Be open to God's grace and power to change you.

  1. Am I consciously or unconsciously creating the impression that I am better than I really am? In other words, am I a hypocrite?
  2. Am I honest in all my acts and words, or do I exaggerate?
  3. Do I confidentially pass on to another what was told to me in confidence?
  4. Can I be trusted?
  5. Am I a slave to dress, friends, work, or habits?
  6. Am I self-conscious, self-pitying, or self-justifying?
  7. Did the Bible live in me today?
  8. Do I give it time to speak to me everyday?
  9. Am I enjoying prayer?
  10. When did I last speak to someone else about my faith?
  11. Do I pray about the money I spend?
  12. Do I get to bed on time and get up on time?
  13. Do I disobey God in anything?
  14. Do I insist upon doing something about which my conscience is uneasy?
  15. Am I defeated in any part of my life?
  16. Am I jealous, impure, critical, irritable, touchy, or distrustful?
  17. How do I spend my spare time?
  18. Am I proud?
  19. Do I thank God that I am not as other people, especially as the Pharisees who despised the publican?
  20. Is there anyone whom I fear, dislike, disown, criticize, hold a resentment toward or disregard? If so, what am I doing about it?
  21. Do I grumble or complain constantly?
  22. Is Christ real to me?

Tuesday, May 10, 2011

Generations

Hello Wednesday Group at UMCA!

Below you will find 2 articles: The Church's Missing Demographic and Missing the Signs.

Feel free to print them and bring them on Wednesday, or just take a few notes.




The Church's Missing Demographic

Why Don't Young Single Members Attend Church?

Jun 18, 2009 Rebecca Craig

According to a 2008 Census Bureau report, 46% of America's population is single. So why don't churches reflect this demographic?

If you walk into almost any church in America, you’ll find sitting in the pews or chairs a lot of baby-boomer (born 1945-1964) married couples, Generation X (Gen-X) families (born 1965-1983), and of course, the tried and true supporters of many congregations – the 65 and older generations.

What you most likely will not see, however, are the post-college single professionals comprised of both the Gen-Xers and the up-and-coming “Millennials” (born 1983-1996). Why is this? What is it about church and “religious organizations” that is not appealing to young singles?

The Exclusionary Language of “Family”

No doubt, if you’re familiar with the Christian Evangelical movement in any way, shape or form, you’ve heard of the Colorado Springs-based organization started by Dr. James Dobson called “Focus on the Family.”

This group is a staunch supporter of healthy marriages and strong “family values.” While no Christian can really argue against the benefits of a strong family system, some may find it interesting that there are no organizations (at least none that are very well-known) that are titled “Focus on the Singles.”

Looking through most church bulletins, you’ll find a lot of family-oriented activities going on. Here and there you’ll maybe find a “young adult bible study” or its equivalent thrown in as an attempt to reach this missing section of the church’s population.

However, the church as a whole portrays itself as a “family based” institution. This is less than appealing and/or inviting to the single Christian. The very language itself is exclusionary.

The Missing Generation

The church has its work cut out for it if it hopes to appeal to the single Gen-Xer in particular. Gen-X populations are, by nature, skeptical of organizations as a whole, and especially wary of “organized religion.” They’re fiercely independent, driven, successful and highly materialistic (exceptions to this rule of course exist, but in general, this is what has defined this particular generation). They led the way in embracing the phrase, “Spiritual, but not religious.”

Now this is not entirely the Gen-Xers fault. It’s not as though the church has provided a space for singles within its community. For many, church life ended after either confirmation or youth group. Perhaps a few continued to stay connected through a local campus ministry in college, but after that – this population just dropped off the map.

No group that specifically met their needs or spoke to their life situation had been integrated into the church. Singles were seen as a great resource to call upon for volunteer work – but little else. Tired of being expected to solely act as a work-horse within the church, they left and haven’t returned.

Additionally, the ever-increasing pluralism within American society caused the Gen-X Christian to question the claim that Jesus was the only way to God. College campuses were where young Christians were first exposed to and allowed to develop friendships with Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Wiccans, New Agers and a wide variety of other spiritual beliefs.

Faced with the option of either shoving the Bible – which most didn’t know that well to begin with – down their new friends’ throats or simply acquiescing to the idea that there were many different paths to God, most chose the latter option.

Plus, the presence of what became viewed as “campus cults” that preyed on young, vulnerable college students starving for a place to connect and fit in only increased the skepticism regarding organized Christian religion.

Add in the fact that their own church seemed to not care whether they were present or not and continued to practice what seemed like an out-moded, closed-minded, completely out of touch with what was going on in the world type of organization – and voila. The Gen-Xers pulled a disappearing act until they either got married or had children.

Biblical Support for the Single Christian Lifestyle

What churches have forgotten is that both Paul and Jesus laud the single lifestyle. Paul in 1 Corinthians 7 urges both widows and unmarried people to remain single if they are able to do so. If not, then marriage is a far better alternative than living a promiscuous lifestyle.

Jesus in Matthew 19 likewise states that it is far better for a person to remain unmarried than to risk getting into a bad relationship that will ultimately end in divorce (or worse). Jesus admitted, not all could accept this teaching, but praised those who could.

Changing the Culture

If the church ever hopes to regain its single populations within their congregations and not lose all the "Millennials" as well, there needs to be a massive cultural shift in how singles are viewed, treated and addressed. The first change needs to be the language itself. “Focus on the Family” would be better served to say, “Focus on the Faithful Christian Life.”

The Millennial generation is the current "up and coming" generation, and unlike the Gen-Xers, actually is much more community and team oriented. They're interested in what's "authentic" and "real." Holier-than-thou types who don't "practice what they preach" (or preach what they practice) won't bring this generation (or the Gen-Xers for that matter), into the congregations. Technology isn't a big deal to the Millennials - it's too much a part of their every day lives, so those high-powered power-points - they've become passe.

It's about experience, community and honest relationships. Praise bands and contemporary worship don't speak to them the way they drew in the baby-boomers. In essence - show these young singles that you care what they're doing and that they have something to contribute to the life of the church. They're important, and not just good for filling the volunteer roles no one else wants to do.

Sources:

Copyright Rebecca Craig. Contact the author to obtain permission for republication.

The Christian Century

Missing the signs

The church and Gen Y

Mar 23, 2011 by Bradley N. Hill

We've all seen classic signs outside eateries. One might have a giant arrow, outlined by lightbulbs, pointing at the restaurant (sometimes some of the bulbs are missing or burned out). Plastic letters form words like "Eat at Joe's" or "Good Eats" or "Free Fries with Burger."

The proprietor believes that people will drive by, see the sign and be enticed to come in and spend their money. Occasionally he changes the words to an­nounce a Wednesday special or a featured flavor. But if someone were to ask him, he probably couldn't verify whether anybody ever stopped and came in because of the sign.

Behind this viewpoint is a conviction—one that is largely unspoken. The proprietor believes with all his heart that he is offering something that people really want and need and that if they would only see the sign and come in and taste his bur­gers they would be satisfied.

For Christmas he adds a border of alternating red and green lightbulbs. For Halloween he uses black lights and strobes. He tries moving the sign closer to the road and uses larger letters so it will be easier to read.

Then one day a truck stops and the driver comes in.

"Joe? Saw your sign out front and thought I'd try your burger."

At last! Joe has hard evidence that the sign works. That sign is now there to stay—no one will ever persuade him to take it down. Joe tells the story over and over to his family.

Over the ensuing years, Joe has trouble making ends meet. Eventually he closes the restaurant. As he locks up and walks away he notices that the sign out front is still on. He walks over and unplugs it. The sign goes dark. He pauses and thinks, "Thanks to the sign, we hung on a little longer." He removes a bulb as a souvenir and leaves.

I served a church that had that sign out front. It didn't advertise burgers, but it did advertise bake sales and dramas, Christ­mas pageants, Halloween alternatives, concerts, worship services and prayer meetings. The members believed that if people would just see the sign and come in, they would find their spiritual needs met. Occasionally they repositioned the sign. Once they changed the size of the letters. Sure enough, a neighbor came in one day because of the sign.

"That damn sign makes it hard to see the oncoming traffic!" he said. "Can you move it away from the road?"

Almost all churches have the equivalent of Eat at Joe's signs. The signs may not be made with plastic letters, but they're doing the same job. Yellow page ads. Community zip code mailings. Posters in shopping malls. Electronic reader boards out front. And now churches are scrambling to make sure they have sparkling websites, blogs and Facebook pages. Yes, there is good information there, but the central idea is the same: advertise religious services so that people will stop, look, come in and taste what is good. In other words, our congregational worldview is the same as Joe's view of the restaurant business.

These signs are imperative in nature. They command us to eat here and not there. They illuminate the one way to get to the food.

The Eat at Joe's sign represents an attractional view of church, a view that attempts to persuade people to act in a certain way. It is also centripetal in nature—an effort to funnel people from the surrounding community into the church where they will discover, Lord willing, the desires of their hearts. "If only we had better banners on the walls, . . . if only the music were more relevant and the preaching were done more conversationally. . . . If only the coffee shop offered espresso and the PowerPoint presentations were animated . . . then people would see us, stop and enter—and of course they'd stay."

Occasionally the attractional approach works. Many of us have a story about someone who stopped, looked, listened and came in. That person is now chair of the church council. But there's a danger here: when a story becomes an anecdote to justify a strategy, it soon becomes a deterrent to congregational efforts at becoming truly missional. The few who are attracted by the sign reinforce the church's behavior. They are like pigeons pecking on a lever that rarely rewards them with a grain—but all it takes is one grain in a thousand pecks for them to keep pecking at that lever.

The youth of the church where I serve as interim pastor invited me to talk with them about various issues. (By the way, the older a church is, the broader the term youth becomes. Youth at this church includes everyone from junior high through college.) The main question on their minds was, "Why is everything funneled into the church? Why isn't the church going out there?" I answered, "Because we want to engage society on our terms, not theirs." (Full disclosure: I had been told ahead of time that this issue might be on their minds.)

Almost every Western church is lacking one or two generations—members of Gen Y, known also as millennials, echo boomers and the Net generation, those born between 1976 and 2000. (See The American Church in Crisis, by David T. Olson, or a recent Barna report.) The usual assurance is that "they will come back to the church when they get married and have babies." But this line is heard less and less frequently—for one simple reason: it's not true. As Douglas Coupland says, "This is the first generation raised without God." So there is nothing for this generation to return to.

Extensive data on church attendance and Gen Y reveal an unmistakable trend: disengagement with the institutions of Christianity. The Christian Science Monitor featured an article announcing the "coming evangelical collapse." Within two generations, the article predicts, evangelicalism will diminish by half. In 2009, Newsweek editor Jon Meacham declared the end of Christian America, and in The Bridger Generation, author Thom Rainer says that the number of Gen Y members who "reached for Christ" is about 4 percent.

Everyone is eager to add that Gen Y is very spiritual. Gen Yers tell us that it's not Christ they object to but the church that—arrogantly, in their minds—claims that it's his church.

In American Grace, Robert Putnam and David Campbell present data and conclusions that support this description. They report that church attendance by the 18- to 28-year-olds has dropped off dramatically since the mid-1950s. "Among twentysomethings the rate of decline in church attendance was more than twice the national average. . . . It is hard to imagine a more clearly defined generational phenomenon." They also report that 30 percent of twentysomethings call themselves "nones," or those with "no religious affiliation." (Only 5 to 7 percent of preboomers identify themselves as "nones," and only 15 percent of boomers.) "Nor is there any evidence . . . that as the younger generations age, they are becoming more attached to organized religion." The good news (or not so bad news) is that the new nones are "not uniformly unbelievers, and few of them claim to be atheists or agnostics. Indeed, most of them express some belief in God."

The result, in any case, is that the church has few if any Gen Yers. Why? There are many complex and overlapping reasons for their absence. Here are four of them.

First, Gen Y does not even notice our Eat at Joe's signs. For them, an advertisement is just part of the background white noise of our culture. No impersonal website or advertisement, no program or event flyer, poster or radio spot will entice an unchurched, secular, raised-without-God Gen Yer into church. No matter how amped-up and cutting edge our promos, these young adults are not likely to notice our attractional evangelism, and if they do notice it, they will just go on by. They are technologically savvy but "Teflon-coated." Most are not tuned into Christian radio or familiar with the top 100 songs on CCLI (Christian Copyright Licensing Inter­national) lists. Even the youth in my church don't listen to Christian radio. They are intensely relational but impervious to anything they see as a sales pitch.

Second, friends are the final factor. In some ways this reality is not dissimilar from what I experienced in working with groups and tribal cultures in Africa. Though on occasion an African may break from the clan and form an alliance with a church, this rarely happens. More often, whole families and clans move together into the church. The attractional model, in contrast, is individualistic. It seeks to lure the single driver who passes on his or her way to work. This won't work with Gen Y; the only way to reach these young people is to be with them, to enter into genuine spiritual friendships and allow the flow
to follow the natural terrain to Christ and, we hope and pray, to his church. Of course, if one establishes relationships with several of them, one may find oneself admitted to a whole new crowd of friends!

Third, Gen Yers are suspicious of metanarratives, those stories that seek to give universal meaning and purpose to existence. For them, metanarrative is a mask for an agenda of power, self-legitimization and coercion. In the same way, they are highly suspicious of church invitations. They think: "The church is offering a free rock concert, but it is after something else." Or as one said to me, "Your church is offering a tutoring program only as a means to convert us." They're right. We in the church are always asking ourselves, "How can we get them in here?" and devising endless plots and schemes to do so. One church I served sponsored a Halloween maze event. It was a huge success in that a thousand kids went through the maze, saw the cool evangelistic video and received the brochure at the end. I venture to say they all knew this was going to happen and opted to tolerate the pitch in order to enjoy the maze. Their force shields were up—and as far as I know not one of them connected with the church because of the maze.

Fourth and last, Gen Yers fail to see the relevance. They think they know what "Joe" is offering, and they don't particularly like Christian burgers. They live in a world of pluralism, relativism, quantum theory, chaos theory, evolution, diversity, choice, energy and auras, karma and dharma, self-definition, social and environmental concern. Impervious to pitches, tribal, suspicious—when you think about it, it's not their absence that is surprising but the fact that any of them are present at all.

Many of the qualities I've described are qualities that we should applaud. We moderns have been all too gullible when it comes to story lines. We are too individualistic, too mechanistic and too content to live within closed systems. We have sought to "bring them in" and get them to be like us when Christ's clear mandate is to "go out there" and be like Christ. Who knows what new wineskins will be required, whether it be emergent church, "liquid" church, house church or some form of ancient/future church.

One couple got it. In the heart of Ann Arbor, Michigan, they gave up on the "eat here" sign and went "out there"—opening up space in an old bar, posting flyers and setting up a sandwich board (back to low tech!) with an invitation to conversation scheduled for a Sunday afternoon because some of the people they hoped to reach might be hung over in the morning. A topic was posted, which changed weekly: peace, sex, anxiety, politics, the environment. A crowd began to gather, drawn by the idea of stimulating and spiritual conversation with strangers and neighbors. It was no secret that Jeremy, the facilitator, was a Christian, and folks naturally began to ask him what Christians believed about the week's topic. Jeremy would lead the conversation—and only later share a biblical perspective on the topic.

The Sunday gatherings were called Kaioen—meaning "to burn within"—and this prechurch of inquisitive visitors began to burn with enthusiasm and curiosity. It also began to grow. People began to stay longer, moving from curiosity to inquiry to seeking. Some seekers became finders as they confessed faith in Christ Jesus and began to take communion.

Another alternative to the attractional approach was taken by Alive Covenant Church on Washington State's Olympic Peninsula. The church says, "No perfect people are allowed." Alive Covenant calls itself a "personal, get your hands dirty kind of church," and asks, "What will God do in and through you?" Members believe in redemption, relationship, getting hands dirty and having fun, and they've structured their services ac­cord­ingly.

On the first Sunday evening of the month, members meet for combined worship, but for the rest of the month they gather in smaller groups in house churches. During the second week of the month, they study, discuss scripture and hang out. The third week each house church decides to assist someone in the surrounding community who needs help. The fourth week is about having fun—party time. People can become a part of the service project without being part of the larger church. Participants get the word out: "If you know of someone we can serve, please contact us."

In Seattle, the Church of the Apostles is an "intentional eucharistic community." Its "urban abbey" is a sanctuary and a brewery. Located in the art center of Seattle in the Freemont district, the members display art and also offer "discernment groups" for people facing large life choices. A mission congregation of both the Evangelical Luth­eran Church in America and the Episcopal Church, it subscribes to the Nicene Creed. Vicar Karen Ward writes that "serving the reign of God calls us to help God renew, restore, expand and enrich human community for all people, so there is something for everyone at the abbey: religious, nonreligious, agnostic, atheist, friends, neighbors, artists, dancers, DJs, filmmakers, yoga instructors, musicians, poets, kids, seniors, people of all races and cultures, everyone!"

Perhaps the place to start turning our signs around is with the Gen Yers who are still in churches. They are the ones to make the connections and the invitations. However, in Almost Christian, Kenda Dean warns that we have done "an ex­ceedingly good job of teaching youth what we really believe; namely, that Chris­tianity is not a big deal, that God requires little, and the church is a helpful social institution filled with nice people focused primarily on 'folks like us.'" Our link to Gen Yers may be even weaker than we think.

A critical question for any church is "for whom does the church primarily exist?" To the degree that the answer is "for those in the church," the next generation is already lost. To the degree that the answer is "for those yet to know Christ," there is hope. The turned-around sign then needs a new message. Instead of saying, "Eat at Joe's," it will say, "Joe is asking, where do you want to eat? What do you want to eat? Let's talk."

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Comments

Both/And

Posted by will.zant on Mar 24, 2011 - 12:48 pm.

Your article appears a bit harsh on Christians and churches struggling to catch up with today's technologies and communication mediums. Churches often have pretty dismal websites and out-of-date signage. These sorts of things really do matter to young adults in helping connect them with Christ.

I do appreciate your concern for going to the people instead of expecting the people come to you. Internet ministries seem to me a positive way of carrying out this mandate from Christ to "go." I'm especially impressed with ministries like "The Church of the Resurrection UMC" in Leawood, Kansas with their focus on internet worship. This seems to be a non-threatening way to communicate the good news to people skeptical of or damaged by the church.

I hope you will see the merits in this sort of evangelism.

I was waiting for it . . .

Posted by Andrew F Davis on Mar 29, 2011 - 10:27 am.

How many articles like this have we read? The church is in decline, therefore we need to do ______ .

I think we can all agree that the church is in decline (compared to the 1960s), but I'm not sure that necessarily means that we should do this or that. It's a non sequitur.

Having Said That . . .

Posted by Andrew F Davis on Mar 31, 2011 - 10:39 am.

I did really enjoy and gain a lot from the first 2/3rds of this article, and I used it in a Wednesday sermon. What I said was that the church needs to focus less on sharing our food (our accomplishments and good deeds) with the world, and instead we should share our hunger.

with a dozen years'

Posted by brucechapman on Apr 06, 2011 - 10:36 pm.

with a dozen years' campus-based campus ministry experience and counting still, preceded by another dozen in parish ministry, I see Brad's young adults as he identifies them. a gifted piano student today, for instance asked about residency in our ministry (as many as 6 students in community in our facility) stating, "I'm not a Christian, but I find peace here with you guys in this place. I want to know and hang around more."
Spiritual hunger that is rooted in and leads to deeper authenticity is alive and well among us. Getting folks to come to us is a kiss of death. We must meet them as they are, where they are.

Intergenerational congregations?

Posted by bkilgore3 on Apr 20, 2011 - 12:29 pm.

Mr. Hill,

I enjoyed your article! It is a breath of fresh air that gives hope for a way forward. The examples you present in the article are very impressive and I can see why Gen Y would embrace these ideas. My question is about creating inter-generational congregations for the future. How do we incorporate the dynamic ideas you mention into established congregations so that we can honor the different age groups in the church, while attempting to hold them together in community? I agree that new approaches to church are necessary if we hope to attract youth and young adults but it seems that we are creating new problems if we leave older generations behind in the process. It is clear to me there is no easy answer to this issue. Again, I enjoyed your article and appreciate your willingness to wrestle with the daunting challenges the church faces in the future.

Billy Kilgore

Author

Bradley N. Hill

Brad N. Hill is a minister in the Evangelical Covenant Church.